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  1. What we're arguing to clarify woot, is that the current state of the US gov't and economic structure as well as social structure are most likely inferior to the Nordic socialism design provided by Sanders. 

    23 minutes ago, Woot said:

    The value of the goods themselves arriving and leaving can be unbalanced, but the payments are always balanced. Currency held abroad can only be used to buy our goods or invest in our economy. Even if there was a way to send out empty ships and have them come back full for free, that could only be to our advantage. Now you can debate fiddling with these balances in the short term, but that's a different argument. Sanders and Trump think free trade is a bad thing, period, they want to cancel the agreements and put up permanent tariffs to stop it.
    That is simply bad policy. The consensus among economists that free trade is a net positive is nearly unanimous. When polled >90% support taking down existing barriers and oppose putting up new ones. It's the economic version of the climate change 'debate'.

    Second, it isn't free trade that is heavily agreed to be good according to all economists, Keynesian economists argue that trade is good, not free trade, a proper tariff needs to be instituted to protect infant industries, and avoid exporting all labor out of the country, as you weaken the economy by doing that. Second, that 90% statistic is most likely invalid, I know for a fact that pure Keynesian economists don't support that statement.

     

    Third, the US has the economic power to where if wages are more fairly distributed, we can provide just about every social service that is considered reasonable, the US should not have people in poverty, the economic value of all US goods and persons is high enough to avoid poverty for everyone. Basically we have the capital to afford to cover a almost every social structure issue, but no one seems to want to move to fix this now outside of Sanders. Clinton seems to be attempting to practice a form of gradualism, which I view to be insufficient.

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  2. Sanders is trying to import Scandinavia onto the US, and you know what, I totally agree with that.

    Also, for anyone claiming the US is a good location by median pay doesn't know anything about how the pay scale works, a better analysis the is overall wage gap, in which the US comes in 4th to last(Please look up the Gini Index), and crime rate has a correlation with the wage gap(I know, correlation doesn't mean causation, but its still worth noting).  It is generally thought that a Gini index score of under 40 is good, 30 is Ideal. Nordic countries sit in the high 20s, low 30s. France is upper 30s, and the US gets a score in the upper 70s, and it keeps climbing

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